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Canon's MILC

Postby gstark on Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:35 pm

Finally, Canon have announced their entry into the MILC field, with the EOS M.

Canon's press release wrote:Canon has today announced the latest addition to Australia's top-selling interchangeable lens camera system1, combining renowned EOS DSLR quality in an ultra-compact body that’s fun and easy to use – the Canon EOS M. The new EOS M will launch with two specially designed new lenses – the EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM standard zoom lens and the EF-M 22mm f/2 STM ultra compact pancake lens – along with the ability to use the full line of Canon EF and EF-S lenses through the optional Mount Adapter EF-EOS M.


The EOS M has been developed alongside the new EOS 650D digital SLR camera and shares many components, including the 18 megapixel APS-C sensor with on-chip phase detection AF and the DiG!C 5 image processor. The removal of the mirrorbox assembly and viewfinder allows the camera to be around 50% lighter and significantly smaller2 while enabling the same high level of image quality.


I'm waiting on pricing information; expected release is around October.
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby Steffen on Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:22 pm

The Verge says US$799. That's quite a bit.

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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby sirhc55 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:34 pm

B&H (NY) have it listed for $799 too
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby aim54x on Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:23 pm

It certainly looks interesting...and at 799 (1000 locally would be my guess - bloody AUSTRALIA TAX) it isnt that much more than the Olympus EP3/OMD or the Sony NEX. If it shares the 18MP CMOS with the 650D then I would safely assume that it will outdo both the OMD and NEX7...possibly even the NEX5N in terms of IQ.
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Canon's MILC

Postby chrisk on Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:25 pm

Nice ? Yes. Interesting ? No.
Given how long canon took, I expected canon to come out with something significant.
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby gstark on Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:46 am

aim54x wrote:It certainly looks interesting...and at 799 (1000 locally would be my guess - bloody AUSTRALIA TAX) it isnt that much more than the Olympus EP3/OMD or the Sony NEX. If it shares the 18MP CMOS with the 650D then I would safely assume that it will outdo both the OMD and NEX7...possibly even the NEX5N in terms of IQ.


That's my thoughts too.

I'm thinking that this is basically a chopped 650, which in one sense is good, but it also concerns me in terms of what shortcuts Canon may have taken, and what the outcomes of those shortcuts might be.
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby aim54x on Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:19 am

gstark wrote:I'm thinking that this is basically a chopped 650, which in one sense is good, but it also concerns me in terms of what shortcuts Canon may have taken, and what the outcomes of those shortcuts might be.


This is my thoughts exactly.....hence I think it is interesting...but am reluctant to say it is nice...I guess my definition for "interesting" (want to find out more) and "nice" (uncertain about camera, ie not going to rush out to order) differs to how Chris defines these terms.
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby surenj on Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:56 pm

www.canonrumors.com wrote:
You can now Preorder the Canon EOS M.

The Canon EOS M system will begin shipping in October 2012.



Canon EOS M w/22 f/2 STM Black $799 at B&H | Amazon | Adorama
Canon EOS M w/22 f/2 STM White $799 at B&H | Amazon | Adorama
Canon Speedlite EX90 $149 at B&H | Amazon | Adorama
Canon EF Adaptor for EOS M $199 at B&H | Amazon
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Canon's MILC

Postby chrisk on Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:52 pm

aim54x wrote:
gstark wrote:I'm thinking that this is basically a chopped 650, which in one sense is good, but it also concerns me in terms of what shortcuts Canon may have taken, and what the outcomes of those shortcuts might be.


This is my thoughts exactly.....hence I think it is interesting...but am reluctant to say it is nice...I guess my definition for "interesting" (want to find out more) and "nice" (uncertain about camera, ie not going to rush out to order) differs to how Chris defines these terms.


What I meant by nice is I'm sure it will work well and produce great images.

I guess what I mean by uninteresting is that this is a camera that for all intents and purposes exists already, this is just the canon variant. They didn't do anything particularly special with it. It's just another mirrorless camera. It may very well have just been an update to an existing canon product line up. If this is the best they could come up with, why did it take so long ?

The only company that seems to be able to innovate these days is fuji.
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby biggerry on Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:49 pm

gstark wrote:Finally, Canon have announced their entry into the MILC field, with the EOS M.


*yawn*

hey look, it takes pictures :cough:
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby surenj on Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:10 pm

biggerry wrote:hey look, it takes pictures

As a SECONDARY function. This is first and foremost a miniature video camera (good luck keeping it steady); that's how they plan to market it.

For the Japanese market, it's a funky brewster camera. [Note the white color!] Then it's a different market and culture there. :mrgreen:
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby aim54x on Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:26 pm

Rooz wrote:The only company that seems to be able to innovate these days is fuji.

:cheers: I'll drink to that... but I have another bone to pick with Fuji....an analogue one
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby Chaase on Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:16 pm

Well you see it has a pretty red ring which goes well with the pretty red camera.

WTF!!!!
Why would you put a $2.5K lens on an $800 play thing?

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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby aim54x on Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:31 pm

Chaase wrote:Why would you put a $2.5K lens on an $800 play thing?


Im going to go with "because you can!" I have put my 70-200VR on my J1 :oops:
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby gstark on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:13 am

aim54x wrote:
Chaase wrote:Why would you put a $2.5K lens on an $800 play thing?


Im going to go with "because you can!" I have put my 70-200VR on my J1 :oops:


Exactly.

And that's why I put the 80-400 onto the V1. :)
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby aim54x on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:24 am

I do admit that it is less enticing to put on a 70-200/100-400 on the Canon EVIL because there is no more of a crop factor than a 7D/XXD/XXXD/XXXXD whereas the Nikon 1 is a 2.7x crop so the just for kicks reasoning comes into play.
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby gstark on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:49 am

aim54x wrote:I do admit that it is less enticing to put on a 70-200/100-400 on the Canon EVIL because there is no more of a crop factor than a 7D/XXD/XXXD/XXXXD whereas the Nikon 1 is a 2.7x crop so the just for kicks reasoning comes into play.


Which is a double edged sword. :mrgreen:
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby surenj on Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:01 pm

gstark wrote:Which is a double edged sword.

I thought it was 2.7 edges? :mrgreen:
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby ozimax on Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:08 pm

Rooz wrote:
aim54x wrote:
gstark wrote:The only company that seems to be able to innovate these days is fuji.


As an Olympus-only shooter these days, I'll have to disagree with this statement. :)

I lent my OM-D to an ABC cameraman for a week. He didn't want to give it back, and he only used it for video.
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby chrisk on Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:00 pm

true, olympus did put a mirror box on a camera without a mirror box, now THAT takes balls. lol
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby gstark on Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:48 am

Rooz wrote:true, olympus did put a mirror box on a camera without a mirror box, now THAT takes balls. lol


No.

They put a pentaprism housing on a camera with no pentaprism. :)
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Canon's MILC

Postby chrisk on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:17 am

Yes, that's what I meant, sorry. lol
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby gstark on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:25 am

Rooz wrote:Yes, that's what I meant, sorry. lol


We must be accurate when damning with faint praise.
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby Chaase on Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:05 pm

gstark wrote:And that's why I put the 80-400 onto the V1. :)


I'm obviously thick as I still dont get it, it's not like it will fit in the wife's (or your own) handbag.

What am I missing :?
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby gstark on Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:17 pm

Chaase wrote:
gstark wrote:And that's why I put the 80-400 onto the V1. :)


I'm obviously thick as I still dont get it, it's not like it will fit in the wife's (or your own) handbag.

What am I missing :?



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Chaase wrote:Why would you put a $2.5K lens on an $800 play thing?


Im going to go with "because you can!" I have put my 70-200VR on my J1 :oops:
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby aim54x on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:48 am

Rooz wrote:true, olympus did put a mirror box on a camera without a mirror box, now THAT takes balls. lol


Dont you mean Pentax? A mirror box in a camera with no mirror literally!
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Re: Canon's MILC

Postby Murray Foote on Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:57 pm

Back to the Canon: It may be useful to Canon users as a compact backup body but seriously compromised by having no viewfinder of any kind.
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