Aperture - now - Lightroom

This section contains links that may be of interest to DSLR owners. Things like software, or firmware updates, will be found here.

Moderators: Greg B, Nnnnsic, Geoff, Glen, gstark, Moderators

Forum rules
Please ensure that you have a meaningful location included in your profile. Please refer to the FAQ for details of what "meaningful" is. Please also check the portal page for more information on this.

Aperture - now - Lightroom

Postby sirhc55 on Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:52 pm

Adobe are coming to the party against Aperture:

http://labs.macromedia.com/technologies/lightroom/
Chris
--------------------------------
I started my life with nothing and I’ve still got most of it left
User avatar
sirhc55
Key Member
 
Posts: 12930
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 6:57 pm
Location: Port Macquarie - Olympus EM-10

Postby Geoff on Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:58 pm

Thanks for the link Chris, I think it was only a matter of time. :D
Geoff
Special Moments Photography
Nikon D700, 50mm 1.4, 85mm 1.4, 70-200 2.8VR, SB800 & some simple studio stuff.
User avatar
Geoff
Moderator
 
Posts: 7791
Joined: Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:08 am
Location: Freshwater - Northern Beaches, Sydney.

Postby sirhc55 on Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:05 pm

I have downloaded the Beta version and I believe this will eventually give Apple a run for its money.

Aperture will only work on certain macs - Lightroom will work on anything - hooray for Adobe :lol: :lol:
Chris
--------------------------------
I started my life with nothing and I’ve still got most of it left
User avatar
sirhc55
Key Member
 
Posts: 12930
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 6:57 pm
Location: Port Macquarie - Olympus EM-10

Postby mitedo on Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:11 pm

Is it for PC also

Looks like we have to wait

Please note that we are currently working on a Lightroom Beta for the Windows platform. Subscribe to the RSS feeds on Adobe Labs to be notified when the Windows version becomes available.
Last edited by mitedo on Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Kevin
User avatar
mitedo
Member
 
Posts: 465
Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:02 pm
Location: Noosaville .

Postby sheepie on Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:15 pm

Just watched the video - will be good when it's available for PC! (if it lives up to the hype ;) )
*** When getting there is half the fun! ***
User avatar
sheepie
Key Member
 
Posts: 3029
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2004 11:56 am
Location: Picnic Point, Sydney Australia *** Nikon D200/D70 ***

Postby sirhc55 on Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:30 pm

The Beta version for the mac works very well - Adobe do make mention of the problems in the Beta version but they are not that important and are being worked on for late 2006 release.
Chris
--------------------------------
I started my life with nothing and I’ve still got most of it left
User avatar
sirhc55
Key Member
 
Posts: 12930
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 6:57 pm
Location: Port Macquarie - Olympus EM-10

Postby Nnnnsic on Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:31 pm

Hmm. I'm gonna go see if I can get on to the beta for PC.
Producer & Editor @ GadgetGuy.com.au
Contributor for fine magazines such as PC Authority and Popular Science.
User avatar
Nnnnsic
I'm a jazz singer... so I know what I'm doing
 
Posts: 7770
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:29 am
Location: Cubicle No. 42... somewhere in Bondi, NSW

Postby big pix on Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:01 pm

looks very interesting........ a bit of bridge, a bit of CS2, and a bit of iphoto,........ the software race is on.......... we can all only benefit...... looks like I will be busy having a play.......
Cheers ....bp....
Difference between a good street photographer and a great street photographer....
Removing objects that do not belong...
happy for the comments, but
.....Please DO NOT edit my image.....
http://bigpix.smugmug.com Forever changing
User avatar
big pix
Senior Member
 
Posts: 4513
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:52 pm
Location: Lake Macquarie NSW.

Postby big pix on Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:58 pm

Had a play with light room and at my first experience has been that I think it is a very easy program to work with....... all the controls are simple and easy to understand. I loaded up a series of RAW images and had a play...... process one of the said pix's and then opened the same image in PSCS2 and did a process using ACR. This was only a very quick comparison between the 2 programs on color and ease of use to process a RAW image. Light room had the edge over PSCS2 in the time to process an image and the quality

I found that light room was easy to use and gave me very quick results. If I had been working in the field and needed to sort and process a number of images to show a client I would use this program over PSCS2 mainly due to the ability to work very quickly.

There is a lot of similarities with bridge, and ACR, but with a bit more control, all in the one area which I like. I am yet to do a test printing from the program

Edit: Looks like an upgrade for the powerbook
Cheers ....bp....
Difference between a good street photographer and a great street photographer....
Removing objects that do not belong...
happy for the comments, but
.....Please DO NOT edit my image.....
http://bigpix.smugmug.com Forever changing
User avatar
big pix
Senior Member
 
Posts: 4513
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:52 pm
Location: Lake Macquarie NSW.

Postby Nnnnsic on Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:36 pm

It's a shame I don't have OSX on the G3. I'd be willing to see how this chugs along... :lol:
Producer & Editor @ GadgetGuy.com.au
Contributor for fine magazines such as PC Authority and Popular Science.
User avatar
Nnnnsic
I'm a jazz singer... so I know what I'm doing
 
Posts: 7770
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:29 am
Location: Cubicle No. 42... somewhere in Bondi, NSW

Postby mitedo on Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:41 pm

big pix wrote:Had a play with light room and at my first experience has been that I think it is a very easy program to work with....... all the controls are simple and easy to understand. I loaded up a series of RAW images and had a play...... process one of the said pix's and then opened the same image in PSCS2 and did a process using ACR. This was only a very quick comparison between the 2 programs on color and ease of use to process a RAW image. Light room had the edge over PSCS2 in the time to process an image and the quality

I found that light room was easy to use and gave me very quick results. If I had been working in the field and needed to sort and process a number of images to show a client I would use this program over PSCS2 mainly due to the ability to work very quickly.

There is a lot of similarities with bridge, and ACR, but with a bit more control, all in the one area which I like. I am yet to do a test printing from the program

Edit: Looks like an upgrade for the powerbook



Thanks Big Pix wish i had a mac to try it out on

Kevin
Kevin
User avatar
mitedo
Member
 
Posts: 465
Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:02 pm
Location: Noosaville .

Postby big pix on Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:06 pm

for those who would like to know more.........

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/revie ... oom1.shtml
Cheers ....bp....
Difference between a good street photographer and a great street photographer....
Removing objects that do not belong...
happy for the comments, but
.....Please DO NOT edit my image.....
http://bigpix.smugmug.com Forever changing
User avatar
big pix
Senior Member
 
Posts: 4513
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:52 pm
Location: Lake Macquarie NSW.

Postby sirhc55 on Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:22 pm

Thanks for the link bp - very informative
Chris
--------------------------------
I started my life with nothing and I’ve still got most of it left
User avatar
sirhc55
Key Member
 
Posts: 12930
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 6:57 pm
Location: Port Macquarie - Olympus EM-10

Postby marcotrov on Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:25 pm

Thank you BP for the link I wasn't quite sure where it fit in the scheme of things, that is alternative to PS CS@ or complementing it :)
cheers
marco
marcotrov
Senior Member
 
Posts: 2577
Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:21 pm
Location: Cairns, Queensland, Australia

Postby robboh on Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:30 pm

Having had a bit of a play with both of them, I think Aperture has the lead in workflow at the moment with stacks and versions and the Apple loupe is much nicer :D

However, from reading some of the comments from the dev's in the forums, it certainly sounds like Adobe are going to bring similar features in later on as well.

Aperture has some quite heavy hardware requirements and I do have to admit that it doesnt sit very well with me that some of Apples recent hardware (the last iMac rev for example with the GF5200) wont run it. You can hack it to run on the GF5200 which I have done here since my Powermac has the same card. It will be interesting to see how it runs on the new MacBook Pro (what a horrible name!!) once there is a universal binary.

Adobes lower hardware requirements might just win the day here I think, not to mention better raw development (at the moment, I expect Apple to catch up with this eventually and in some cases its already fine) and the ability to both house and point to files.

Its certainly an interesting time for photography in the Mac world 8)
Smile; it makes people wonder what you have been up to.
User avatar
robboh
Member
 
Posts: 455
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:50 pm
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Postby daniel_r on Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:45 pm

robboh,

Aperture's specs are higher especially in the graphics card area as Aperture relies on the CoreImage API to implement a number of features.

CoreImage essentially uses the processing power available in the GPU (Graphics card) to offload the processing from the CPU. Unfortunately the Nvidia GeForce 5200 isn't that flash. Fortunately, the GPU was upgraded to a much more suitable chipset in the rev-B iMac G5's (the one's with the iSight) and now the new iMac intel duos.

Adobe's Lightshack implements all routines directly and doesn't use CoreImage optimisation as far as I can figure out - and on my PowerBook with the ATI Radeon 9600 it is noticeably slower at some tasks.

With Aperture, I'm not happy that the vault feature must use local/direct attached drives. I've submitted a feedback already on this as it has serious implications for my users who need to save on the 6TB of networked storage I manage.

I do like the stack management and 2/multi-image up comparisions in Aperture though, and the Loupe works well.

D.
User avatar
daniel_r
Senior Member
 
Posts: 749
Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:58 pm
Location: Canberra, ACT.

Postby robboh on Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:16 pm

daniel_r wrote:Aperture's specs are higher especially in the graphics card area as Aperture relies on the CoreImage API to implement a number of features.

CoreImage essentially uses the processing power available in the GPU (Graphics card) to offload the processing from the CPU. Unfortunately the Nvidia GeForce 5200 isn't that flash. Fortunately, the GPU was upgraded to a much more suitable chipset in the rev-B iMac G5's (the one's with the iSight) and now the new iMac intel duos.

Hiya Daniel,

Yup, fully agree regards the higher spec requirement for Aperture being mainly related to the graphics card and that the GF5200 doesnt have the capabilities to do Core Image properly. You see it when using the loupe, it often only loads part of the pic into the circle :)

My grumble in this regard is pretty much along the lines of the fact that Apple have known what was coming in Tiger for at least 18 months and that I think its more than a little on the nose that they have released a number of machines in that time period which DONT support Core Image.

This is the primary reason why I have refused to buy the All-In-One models in the past, short of RAM and HDD, nothing is upgradable. Its why I decided to buy a PowerMac G5 when I decided to give Apple a try several years ago, it was the most future proof option with a brand new processor model (though will be interesting to see how long OS updates keep coming for PPC now), room for bucket-loads of RAM and upgradable graphics card. Having said that, graphics cards are still a disgusting price for PPC Macs, hopefully the move to Intel will drop the requirement of specifically Mac-biosed video cards.

Adobe's Lightshack implements all routines directly and doesn't use CoreImage optimisation as far as I can figure out - and on my PowerBook with the ATI Radeon 9600 it is noticeably slower at some tasks.

Supposedly Core Image should gracefully fall back on the processor when a certain function isnt implemented in the graphics card. Why this doesnt happen with Aperture, who knows?? Lightroom is definitely slower updating the thumbnails and previews. I presume this is because its updating thumbnails and reading them in again, rather than realtime.

With Aperture, I'm not happy that the vault feature must use local/direct attached drives. I've submitted a feedback already on this as it has serious implications for my users who need to save on the 6TB of networked storage I manage.

That IS a PITA, along with a few other things :roll:
I really do feel that they have upset a lot of people with Aperture, but I have no doubt it will mature into a great product. The concept and base is there, they just need to execute it better.

In the meantime, that Luminous Landscape article has been a great help figuring out how to drive the tone curve and Im starting to become quite impressed with LightRoom and the raw conversions its doing.
Smile; it makes people wonder what you have been up to.
User avatar
robboh
Member
 
Posts: 455
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:50 pm
Location: Auckland, New Zealand


Return to Important links

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 32 guests