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			 by sheepie on Mon May 23, 2005 10:50 am
 OK - here's a few from last night's shoot.  Was a great turnout, although it seems we lost the main group when we went for a look around Luna Park!
 Pano, 5 frames stitched together - 50mm tripod (no fancy pano head though    )...
  http://sheepie.smugmug.com/gallery/269110/1/22774928/Large Under the Bridge, kit lens...
   Inside Luna Park (which was closed at the time, but surprisingly you can still walk through it!), 50mm 1.8 - handheld...
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 by Geoff on Mon May 23, 2005 10:52 am
 Great shots Sheepie -  Well done!  Last edited by Geoff  on Mon May 23, 2005 10:59 am, edited 1 time in total.
					
				 
			
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 by Glen on Mon May 23, 2005 10:57 am
 I love your pano too. Very very nice.    
			
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 by sheepie on Mon May 23, 2005 11:00 am
 Geoff wrote:Great shots Sheepie - would love to see the pano a bit bigger! Well done!  
 Thanks     Looks like we were both putting together our posts from the night at the same time!
 Link to larger version of Pano (758k)...
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 by Geoff on Mon May 23, 2005 11:05 am
 sheepie wrote:Geoff wrote:Great shots Sheepie - would love to see the pano a bit bigger! Well done!  
 Thanks     Looks like we were both putting together our posts from the night at the same time! Link to larger version of Pano (758k)...http://sheepie.smugmug.com/photos/22776012-O.jpg
 That's brilliant mate...print, frame and hang!    Out of curiosity, how long did the panofactory process take to get it looking so schmick? 
			
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 by sheepie on Mon May 23, 2005 11:08 am
 Geoff wrote:Out of curiosity, how long did the panofactory process take to get it looking so schmick?
 I think maybe five minutes?
 I then threw it into PS  for the final levels adjustment and border, then Neat Image for noise reduction.
 Looking forward to seeing it printed BIG      I'm going to load the A4 roll soon, but would really love to see it on A3 roll from the R1800!*** When getting there is half the fun! *** 
			
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 by Geoff on Mon May 23, 2005 11:21 am
 sheepie wrote:Geoff wrote:Out of curiosity, how long did the panofactory process take to get it looking so schmick?
 I think maybe five minutes? I then threw it into PS  for the final levels adjustment and border, then Neat Image for noise reduction. Looking forward to seeing it printed BIG      I'm going to load the A4 roll soon, but would really love to see it on A3 roll from the R1800!
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 by Geoff on Mon May 23, 2005 11:21 am
 sheepie wrote:Geoff wrote:Out of curiosity, how long did the panofactory process take to get it looking so schmick?
 I think maybe five minutes? I then threw it into PS  for the final levels adjustment and border, then Neat Image for noise reduction. Looking forward to seeing it printed BIG      I'm going to load the A4 roll soon, but would really love to see it on A3 roll from the R1800!
 [glare] Glen [/glare]    
			
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 by Glen on Mon May 23, 2005 11:26 am
 I am more than happy to print it for you Leon    
			
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 by Geoff on Mon May 23, 2005 11:31 am
 Glen wrote:I am more than happy to print it for you Leon   
 Whoooohooooooooooo ....he said yes (dancing)..he said yes   
			
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 by MHD on Mon May 23, 2005 11:33 am
 Love the underbridge shot! 
			
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 by sheepie on Mon May 23, 2005 11:44 am
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 by Killakoala on Mon May 23, 2005 12:07 pm
 Great pics mate. Good composition and great lighting too. The pano is awesome but clone out the streak in the sky on the left. Steve. |D700| D2H | F5 | 70-200VR | 85 1.4 | 50 1.4 | 28-70 | 10.5 | 12-24 | SB800 |Website-> http://www.stevekilburn.comLeeds United for promotion in 2014 - Hurrah!!! 
			
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 by sheepie on Mon May 23, 2005 12:10 pm
 Killakoala wrote:...clone out the streak in the sky on the left.
 Yip - am going to do this before printing any bigger    The 110cm long print has just finished and is awesome - very happy, and well worth paying for Pano Factory to get results like this    This is a very happy sheepie!*** When getting there is half the fun! *** 
			
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 by Nnnnsic on Mon May 23, 2005 12:25 pm
 Great pano and under-bridge shot, sheepie!
 Did ya'll go Luna Park hunting and lose us when we went to the pub, or was that way before?
 
 We thought ya'll had just left by the time we all packed up and headed to the pub!!!
 
			
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 by Geoff on Mon May 23, 2005 12:27 pm
 
Awesome!! Can you take a photo of the print?   
			
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 by BBJ on Mon May 23, 2005 12:30 pm
 Sheepie, Bloody Beuatifull mate well done and loved the pano, the other pics i love as well looks like you all had fun. D3,D2x,D70,18-70 kit lens,Sigma 70-200mm F2.8EX HSM,Nikon AF-I 300m F2.8, TC20E 2X 80-400VR,SB800,Vosonic X Drive,VP6210 40http://www.oz-images.com 
			
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 by sheepie on Mon May 23, 2005 1:00 pm
 Nnnnsic wrote:Did ya'll go Luna Park hunting and lose us when we went to the pub, or was that way before?
 By the time we got out from Luna Park, everyone had disappeared!  We went over to Mrs Macs Chair, but couldn't find anyone    Well go back there another night anyway, had pretty much photo'd ourselves out by that stage anyway.  I reckon there's plenty around the Domain area, etc to warrant another trip sometime soon  *** When getting there is half the fun! *** 
			
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 by Glen on Mon May 23, 2005 1:06 pm
 Sheepie, we changed order to food at the pub then Mrs Mac. We had a quick walk round the boardwalk and found Ray but didn't realise you were inside.      Sorry. Still with the shots you got you couldn't ask for anymore! 
			
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 by barry on Mon May 23, 2005 1:21 pm
 It was a good night.
 It was the first time i had taken any night shoots and thanks to Gary I got some good results.
 Even though I did not get to the pub, I look forward to another outing.
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 by shutterbug on Mon May 23, 2005 1:45 pm
 awesome sheepie    
			
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 by sirhc55 on Mon May 23, 2005 1:57 pm
 Fabulous shots - sorry I missed out on the shoot but head colds make the eyes see everything double  Chris--------------------------------
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 by gstark on Mon May 23, 2005 2:27 pm
 There are certainly some great shots coming out of the woodwork here. 
 I'll put a couple up later this evening.
 
 And thanx, Glen, for organising this; it was a truly great and fun evening, and for those who didn't make it to the pub, the floorshow there was truly something special.
 
 We certainly had a ball!
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			 by wendellt on Mon May 23, 2005 3:46 pm
 [quote="sheepie"]OK - here's a few from last night's shoot.  Was a great turnout, although it seems we lost the main group when we went for a look around Luna Park!
 These are excellent, the panorama has no noticable distortion, and the ambient tone of the sky is very cool and very vibrant
 what equipment do you use?
 
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			 by sheepie on Mon May 23, 2005 3:50 pm
 The group (thanks to Glen for his 12-24!)...
   70-300G Opera  House...
   My Bridge Pic...
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 by Glen on Mon May 23, 2005 4:03 pm
 Sheepie, we can almost stop using the term "underrated" 70-300. Like all 3    
			
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 by Paul on Mon May 23, 2005 4:53 pm
 Glen wrote:Sheepie, we can almost stop using the term "underrated" 70-300. Like all 3   
 So do you want to buy my shiny plastic 70-300 lens Glen?     It's even dremmel silver!   Nikon F80D, FM2nRRS BH-55, 055XPROB
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 by Geoff on Mon May 23, 2005 4:58 pm
 I still maintain that there is one word for the 70-300G - underated   
			
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			 by Yedrup on Mon May 23, 2005 5:01 pm
 Great pictures, like the pano but love the underbridge shot the most.
 Seems that it was a great night, miffed that I couldn't make it now.
 
 Cheers,
 Terry
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 by gstark on Mon May 23, 2005 6:22 pm
 Geoff wrote:I still maintain that there is one word for the 70-300G - underated  
 I've got one!
 I've got one!
 I've got one!
 Can I play too???
 Can I??
 Can I ??
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 by Glen on Mon May 23, 2005 6:53 pm
 
			
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 by birddog114 on Mon May 23, 2005 6:55 pm
 Me, I'll ditch everything I have and buy one of that 70-300G    Birddog114
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 by Grev on Mon May 23, 2005 7:49 pm
 Those are great shots!  The panorama is especially spectacular! 
			
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 by stubbsy on Mon May 23, 2005 9:15 pm
 Leon
 Awesome pano shot.  I'm so impressed I'm speechless    So you tried Glen's 12-24, eh.  Bad for the lust    NZ hol is soon so better start saving your pennies. 
			
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 by gstark on Mon May 23, 2005 10:08 pm
 Here's a couple of my images from last evening.
 Handheld, 80-400VR, ISO 200 1/400 f/9
   80-400VR, ISO 200, 4 seconds f/8
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 by phillipb on Mon May 23, 2005 10:14 pm
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 by Geoff on Mon May 23, 2005 10:23 pm
 Gary - that moon shot is brilliant!! I like it very much! 
			
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 by gstark on Mon May 23, 2005 10:27 pm
 
No ... please reread .... g.Gary Stark
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 by Geoff on Mon May 23, 2005 10:29 pm
 gstark wrote:No ... please reread ....
 The VR is good, but not that good   
			
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 by gstark on Mon May 23, 2005 10:29 pm
 Geoff wrote:Gary - that moon shot is brilliant!! I like it very much!
 Geoff,
 Thanx. I do too.  g.Gary Stark
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 by Glen on Mon May 23, 2005 10:41 pm
 Gary, when I saw you take that I would never have imagined it would come out that good    
			
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 by phillipb on Mon May 23, 2005 10:43 pm
  No ... please reread .... 
 Oops     for a minute there I was picturing you wrapped around a light post  with the neck strap tied around your hands and the post.  __________Phillip
 
 
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 by wendellt on Mon May 23, 2005 11:41 pm
 [quote="gstark"]Here's a couple of my images from last evening.
 Handheld, 80-400VR, ISO 200 1/400 f/9
 80-400VR, ISO 200, 4 seconds f/8
 
 
 Wow Gary hand held! I saw you do bracketing shots but would have never of guessed the result
 that image of the moon is amazing, it's so vibrant and crisp, the opera house shot looks true to life, is ISO 200 the sweetspot for night photography with a D70, why is the shutter speed so high(1/400).
 
 best
 
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 by gstark on Tue May 24, 2005 7:05 am
 wendellt wrote:gstark wrote:Here's a couple of my images from last evening.
 Handheld, 80-400VR, ISO 200 1/400 f/9
 80-400VR, ISO 200, 4 seconds f/8
 
 
 Wow Gary hand held! I saw you do bracketing shots but would have never of guessed the result
 that image of the moon is amazing, it's so vibrant and crisp, the opera house shot looks true to life, is ISO 200 the sweetspot for night photography with a D70, why is the shutter speed so high(1/400).
 Wendell,
 The moon is a surprisingly bright object in the night sky, reflecting light from the sun, which of course is exceptionally bright. 
 For the purposes of shooting the moon, it's self illuminating, and you need to totally disregard the fact that the sky is dark, or that it's nighttime when you're shooting.g.Gary Stark
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 by gstark on Tue May 24, 2005 7:07 am
 phillipb wrote: No ... please reread .... 
 Oops     for a minute there I was picturing you wrapped around a light post  with the neck strap tied around your hands and the post.  
 That was later in the night, Phillip.  g.Gary Stark
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 by BBJ on Tue May 24, 2005 7:11 am
 Well i like Gary did this when i got my 80-400 VR as well took a shot of the moon hand held, i took mine at 1/125sec and i was surprised at how well it came out. Good shot Gary looks good. D3,D2x,D70,18-70 kit lens,Sigma 70-200mm F2.8EX HSM,Nikon AF-I 300m F2.8, TC20E 2X 80-400VR,SB800,Vosonic X Drive,VP6210 40http://www.oz-images.com 
			
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 by gstark on Tue May 24, 2005 7:14 am
 Glen wrote:Gary, when I saw you take that I would never have imagined it would come out that good   
 Glen,
 I am just so impressed with the VR technology. Ok ... 400mm @ 1/400 should be theoretically able to be handheld, but that's not accounting for the crop factor, and there were certainly a few of those shots that, despite the VR, are not clear. 
 Mind you, I did also drop the shutter speed down in doing my bracketing, shooting down to 1/250 @ f/11. Some of them worked, some didn't, but this one seems to be the pick of the bunch. 
 I may post one of those too, plus I still have a couple of others to add ...
 I should not forget to add that the amount of detail I can see in the shot of the SOH is amazing; while this shot doesn't show it, there's a crane clearly visible above the light source to the RH side of the image, and the tiles on the sails are also quite visible. I may post a couple of 100% crops of those sections of the image just for the hell of it.g.Gary Stark
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 by gstark on Tue May 24, 2005 7:50 am
 OK ... here's a couple of 100% crops ...
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 by Matt. K on Tue May 24, 2005 10:17 am
 Gary
Nice work! Now make a selection of that moon and drop it in behind the pic of the opera house.
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 by gstark on Tue May 24, 2005 10:34 am
 Matt. K wrote:GaryNice work! Now make a selection of that moon and drop it in behind the pic of the opera house.
 Matt,
 Already done; just not yet posted.  g.Gary Stark
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